April 14, 2011

Presupposing that Miracles Cannot Happen

From Apologetics 315. 

There are some interesting comments about Hume's work and circular reasoning.

The Question of Miracles: Interview with Craig Keener. Click here for the rest.

The Workplace Computer

I had a co-worker take the picture with my camera phone, after making certain that there was no confidential information showing. Pointing at something was the least ridiculous way that I could show off the stretch bandage (which I expect to be able to ditch tomorrow):
Now if you'll excuse me, lunch break is over.

April 8, 2011

Atheist Standards of Morality - Part 1

Edit: Tweaked for wording.

Buon giorno. Part 2 of this set should be up in a week or two, when the audio becomes available. I had some nice talks on the radio with an apologist...

But never mind about that now. One of the apologetics podcasts that I hear is Greg Koukl on "Stand to Reason". He is yet another former atheist turned apologist for the Christian faith. He has a radio show, and gives monologues as well as receives calls (presumably from people who have not insulted his family online like they have done to other podcasters). They have materials for defending the faith. Greg and his fellow apologists give lectures, have debates, write articles, are staunch pro-lifers — you know, busy.

Here is a section from the podcast for April 3, 2011. I did not want to have you wait through the fishing stories and other materials; Greg has almost three hours that he does each week, so there are less intense discussions as well.

Anyway. This discussion with a caller touched on some experiences I have had with atheists in the past year. The caller said that some atheists equate Jesus with terrorism, and Christians with terrorists. On one Weblog, a cafone called me a "child abuser" when I said that I gave out gospel tracts on Halloween! Said his kids had enough problems with their "self-esteem" without thoughts of God. (With a father like that, I'm not surprised.) Well, Greg shows the essential silliness of such atheists' charges.

From there, he also pointed out that it is not the duty of a Christian to defend mischaracterization of our views (which is very similar to the common "Straw Man" fallacy that atheists love to employ). Why should we have to defend a wrong view?

Recently, I had an incident where an atheist could not grasp a concept. He claimed that I had insulted his wife. I pointed out that (presuming that he was correct in the first place), to be consistent with his Godless, "no objective morality" view, he should respect my morality because there are no moral absolutes. By saying, "That's not right", he is appealing to an ultimate, higher source; he was appealing to God.

Greg and his caller talked on a parallel track to my experiences. This talk extended to the topic of the atheist rulers who were responsible for the murders of millions of people.

"But Cowboy Bob, they did not do their murders in the name of atheism!"

Greg pointed out — nah, you have to hear it. The audio is less than fifteen minutes long. I thought it was so good, I heard it three times:

April 7, 2011

CARM - Discussion with a Deist

Buona sera. In a repeat (archived) program, Matt Slick of CARM spent most of the hour with a caller who was a deist (ninety percent atheist). This was a good discussion. While I do not necessarily agree with all of Matt's Calvinist positions, I do like the way he was sparking the caller to examine his own logic and presuppositions. Since it was not an actual structured debate, the topic wandered a bit. They spent some time on eternal punishment and damnation, and also touched on the reliability of the Bible. Intelligent people will find it interesting. Also, it shows that Matt is not a monster if callers are not obstreperous, capcie? You can find the broadcast here.

March 28, 2011

Using Bad Logic

I don't see the logic of rejecting data
just because they seem incredible.
— Fred Hoyle

Edited for wording 9-06-2012

Buona sera. I have had the opportunity on several occasions to actually use what passes for logic in some atheists' minds right back at them. Since this experience is spread out over several Weblogs and over a period of time, I will give you the distilled essence.

But first, caricatures of how it feels to be on the receiving end.

Sitting at the table, counting out my medications and putting them in dispensers for the week. A pill rolls off the table onto the floor. Later, I say, "Oh, no. I'm one pill short for the week!" The atheist watching me says, "There's one on the floor. You have the exact amount. You're a liar!"

Teasing an atheist, I joke, "Does what you said really pass for rational speech on your planet?" The atheist shoots back, "Liar! I'm not from another planet, and you know it!"

Reading the weather forecast on Monday, I say, "It looks like it will be nice all week. A bit cold, but no snow, rain or sleet". Thursday rolls around, sleet turning into all rain happens. The atheist says, "You said it would be nice all week. You're stupid as well as a liar! You are a fake Christian! There is no God!"

In the first instance, someone takes advantage of a simple mistake. The second example is of someone who chooses not to recognize humor or sarcasm. Third, things happen that are not under anyone's control.

As I said, these are caricatures, but some people act that desperately to find something — anything — with which to attack a Christian. God forbid that a Christian is allowed to be right on something.

By the way, do people still use the expression, "In your face?" Some do? That's groovy, I don't want to use outdated slang.

Here is a two-in-one "in your face" example of giving atheists' logic back to them.

To begin, I made a bad joke about someone having a drunken one night stand with a prostitute and confusing it with marriage. (Hey, I said it was bad!) So, in his desperate, twisted mind, Arvel Atheist screamed, "You just called my wife a whore!" Like I knew he claimed to be married in the first place. Nice job at lameness, Poindexter. (Hey, maybe he didn't want his alleged wife to know about — never mind.) They'll grab any excuse to attack, remember.
He demanded an apology for something that I did not say. So, I used his atheist "morality" back at him, taking it down the road of its own "logic". Since he is an atheist, he has no absolute standard for morality. So, even if I was guilty of his accusation, what difference does it make? If there is no God, everyone makes their own rules. He should respect me for going by my rules of conducat while he goes by his rules. But by crying, "Foul!", he implied that there is a higher standard; he appealed to an ultimate standard. There is only one source for that: God. So, the atheist appealed to the God that he says does not exist, instead of being consistent with his own faulty "morality".

I managed to make things worse for him.

The second thing I did was to say that he was probably pretending to have a wife. After all, atheists are known for skipping marriage and simply living together. This guy, and many other atheists (especially online) are notoriously dishonest. I said he was probably being a typical atheist and lying about having a wife.

Someone who claimed to be his wife commented to me that she is his wife. I replied that she is an admitted atheist as well, and probably lying to help him out. She offered that she has proof. Well, that can be faked. And I have never seen her in the first place.

Just because someone has evidence for marriage, and the testimony of witnesses, does not mean that it's true. I do not have to believe it. Atheists are liars, anyway, and they have no moral standards.

How do you like it? Back atcha. In your face. Ha!

This is the same crap that this guy (and many other atheists I have dealt with) will shovel at you. There is no God because I can't see him. I don't believe any evidence that the Bible is true. You're a fool for believing in him, anyway. Christians are stupid and dishonest, and will say anything to get you to believe in their God (an appallingly stupid remark that I have encountered many times). OK, prove to me that God exists. Right here, right now. Probably gearing up for the atheist holiday on April 1.

Even when you catch them in their logic flaws, they deny it. So, don't waste your time with someone who is obviously resistant to what you have to say, is incapable of learning (or simply unwilling), whether it is a discussion on the existence of God or about your work habits.

I am not kidding myself that these people will learn. But my sensible readers can learn from their mistakes. 

Addendum: The geniuses came along and complained about the post (one of which has been banned for weeks). Although I did not give names, they identified themselves in the comments. Inspiring intellect! And then, the male bravely deleted his comments!

Also, a pretend Christian judged me harshly in the comments.

March 27, 2011


Buona sera. Looks like it's media weekend here, huh? I'm going to close it out with a piece of audio. I have been listening to the podcasts of "Evidence 4 Faith" Christian apologetics. They had been doing some material on critical thinking skills, logical fallacies and the like. Before they went into their March 13, 2011 discussion on "What Makes a Good Argument", my letter was read on the air.

This is further verification of my discussions with Rev. Matt Slick of CARM regarding the obstreperous nature of Internet atheists. Two of my pet trolls are mentioned, and it turns out that Keith and Kirk have the same kinds of problems that I have. Obviously, they have more than I do because they have been doing an apologetics ministry for several years. (They said that I have a "ministry". Well, I sort of have one, but this is not it.) By the way, I wonder if Keith Kendrex has heard the "Made in Europe" version of "Stormbringer" by Deep Purple, because the manner in which he said that word reminded me a little bit of the way David Coverdale introduced the song.

If you want to hear the full 52-minute podcast, you will have to go to the link above, click on "Podcasts", and look for "What Makes a Good Argument, March 13, 2011". The player is embedded in the site. Or, you can hear them discuss my letter, below. It takes less than six minutes.

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